Curse

Lourens · May 08, 2006, 07:28 PM // 19:28

Can u give me some Builds for a Ranger/Assassin
Atributes: 15 Expertise 11+1+3 [dagger att costs only 40% energy,defend urself with stances]
12 Dagger Mastery [For controlling daggers ^^]
7 Wildernis Survival 6+1 [For Healing Urself

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Thanks in advance

Maria The Princess · May 09, 2006, 09:04 PM // 21:04

im too lazy to post skill names.... but heres a hint, cuz u do have to think a bit

1st lead attak major spike with fast recharge time
2nd lead attak condition
offhand attak 2nd condition
interrupt
1 very good stance
blind or second stance
self heal
rez

lagrand1 · May 10, 2006, 01:47 AM // 01:47

Throw apply poison and sharpen daggers, both will affect either arrows or daggers from what I understand

GranDeWun · May 10, 2006, 02:08 PM // 14:08

Since you trade Critical Strikes for Expertise, use the higher energy asn skills in order to make up the damage that way. Use WS instead of Shadow Arts for defense.

Lourens · May 10, 2006, 02:17 PM // 14:17

Good Idea ^^

Maria The Princess · May 10, 2006, 08:38 PM // 20:38

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Originally Posted by lagrand1

Throw apply poison and sharpen daggers, both will affect either arrows or daggers from what I understand

actually i think aply poison is for arrows only.

a good idea for PVP would be

shadow step, throw dirt, teleport back, then spam interrupts, poison arrow, savage shot, preparation would be seeking arrows or read the wind. came up with it RIGHT NOW (im in school) so still have to try this out ^_^

unholy guardian · May 10, 2006, 08:46 PM // 20:46

They both effect both things

Lourens · May 11, 2006, 01:27 PM // 13:27

anymore ideas?

Francis Demeules · May 11, 2006, 03:08 PM // 15:08

Throw dirt for def against warrior.
Flashing blades as elite a def is good too (17 sec of duration and 20 sec recharge, 3 sec of vulnerability)

Apply poison + Jagged strike = -7 degen at the start

Anyway generally, a short combo in daggers is 3, a long and tactical set is 5 and for those who are too lazy to use any good combo, 3 which it goes to infinite combo until they stop.

As a R/A, best defense is the best offense. If you go attack someone without any defense = Death

SnipiousMax · May 11, 2006, 03:35 PM // 15:35

The general reason to take an R/A over an A/x is for the Expertise Attribute. I don't think shadow stepping is neccesarily a good use of a secondary, but there have been some ideas that look promising.

Where A/x depend on short bursts of time to deal a large amount of damage, a R/A will not be able to deliver the same amount of damage in a short burst due to lack of runes/primary attribute/etc. That said, in order to make a R/A worthwhile, you need to look into extended combos (like Francis said, Combo's of 5, or repeating combos) where you can take advantage of the energy reduction of expertise to sustain more damage dealing potential.

There are also many hexes and spells that should probally be avoided as expertise will not affect them, and since you need to squeeze every last drop of the expertise advantage, you should focus on skills.

Here is a combo I want to try...

1.) Throw Dirt
2.) Iron Palm
3.) Fox Fangs
4.) Blind Fury
5. Repeating Strike

Francis Demeules · May 11, 2006, 04:14 PM // 16:14

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Originally Posted by SnipiousMax

The general reason to take an R/A over an A/x is for the Expertise Attribute. I don't think shadow stepping is neccesarily a good use of a secondary, but there have been some ideas that look promising.

I tried Shadow arts with Shadow Refuge, Death Charge and Viper Defense. For me, its no good. You can SS and heal, but the expertise doesnt work with it. Only Viper defense works perfectly because its a stance. I prefer using Troll unguent against Shadow Refuge. Maybe 3 sec of casting but If you're getting stripped when under Shadow refuge when you cast, you have wasted 5 energy and your healing

Quote:

Where A/x depend on short bursts of time to deal a large amount of damage, a R/A will not be able to deliver the same amount of damage in a short burst due to lack of runes/primary attribute/etc. That said, in order to make a R/A worthwhile, you need to look into extended combos (like Francis said, Combo's of 5, or repeating combos) where you can take advantage of the energy reduction of expertise to sustain more damage dealing potential.

Like the template Fangs of Melandru in PvP. Its a good template and works in PvE too but not good as PvP. At least, when you do Horn of the Ox, your attacks dont miss if a foe is adjacent to your target. So you can stop the combo there. Death Blossom at the end of the 5 combo is really a nice finishing move. You alway get a mobs of melee during your attacks, Death Blossom do dmg to every foe adj to your target too. A good 70 to all foes.

Just give you an example for a 5 combo

Jagged Strike
Fox Fangs
Horn of the Ox
Falling Spider
Death Blossom

you a lead attack, 2 off hand attacks and 2 dual attacks. You can switch your dual attacks anytime to make a 3 combo (jagged, Fox Fangs, Death Blossom). Another good finishing move which its good against bosses, Blades of Steel. This skill has a long recharge for 1 reason: you receive bonus for each recharged dagger attack skill. If we put in the end of a 5 combo, this dual attack do over 100dmg to the target! I havent mentioned the foe is poisoned at the same time and/or bleeding you put Jagged strike as a Lead attack.

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Quote:

Here is a combo I want to try...

1.) Throw Dirt
2.) Iron Palm
3.) Fox Fangs
4.) Blind Fury
5. Repeating Strike

Maybe put Tiger fury with while you do Repeating Strike for more devastated dmg in few time. Or, if you want, change Fox Fangs for Falling spider to poison your foe while knock down

SnipiousMax · May 12, 2006, 06:49 PM // 18:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Francis Demeules

Maybe put Tiger fury with while you do Repeating Strike for more devastated dmg in few time. Or, if you want, change Fox Fangs for Falling spider to poison your foe while knock down

I was planning on trying out Tigers Fury when I got a chance to train Snipe as an assassin....I'm just not sure how it will really effect repeating strike.

As for falling spider, I thought about that...But Fox fangs can't be dodged/blocked, and I wanted to make sure that it hits so I can go into my blind fury/repeating strike combo. As it stands, my entire combo can't miss. I may try this out tonight....

My one concern is that the recharge time of Throw dirt is sooooo long... So I'll be stuck doing the combo without blind fury alot of the time, unless I pick up blinding powder or something.

Francis Demeules · May 12, 2006, 07:28 PM // 19:28

Perhaps in PvP, fox fangs works to be sure, but in PvE, few monster use something to evade or block. Afflicted Warrior blocks, Afflicted Assassins evade with Shadow Form (kill themself with that) and Afflicted Ranger use Throw Dirt.

Blinding Powder is in Shadow Art spell, it must follow an off hand attack. So, BP, RS(many times during the recharge), BP and repeat. Generally, If you make Blind Fury at the start and use your combo after, you dont really need Fox Fangs. Anyway, I let you to test it and gains more exp in assassin line. Share your result if you will.

blackbird71 · May 12, 2006, 08:52 PM // 20:52

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Originally Posted by Maria The Princess

actually i think aply poison is for arrows only.

Apply poison will work on any weapon, i.e., bow, axe, sword, dagger, hammer.

"Preparation. For 12 seconds, enemies struck by your physical attacks become Poisoned for (3...13) seconds. (Attrib: Wilderness Survival) "

Key here is "physical" attacks.

I actually do not yet have factions, but I tried out a R/A in the preview event. My memory is a little fuzzy, but I recall there was an elite assassin skill that was an offhand attack which had to follow a dual attack (I know, backwards from typical offhand). The Expertise from being a ranger let me easily chain a lead attack, offhand, dual, and the elite offhand for some serious damage. Like I said, my only experience is from the preview event, so I'm no expert, but the successive attacks were fun to use, and noticably more difficult to do with an assassin's energy.

Francis Demeules · May 12, 2006, 10:02 PM // 22:02

Moebius Strike {Elite} - Off-hand Attack
Must follow a Dual-Attack. If it hits, Moebius Strike strikes for +5...+29 damage. If you strike a foe whose health is below 50%, all of your other attack skills are recharged.

Edit: I was thinking to make a video about the speed between normal and TF while using Repeating strike during my test. My problem, how to post here?

Lourens · May 13, 2006, 06:43 AM // 06:43

Thx ppl ^^

Danger Russ · May 16, 2006, 09:36 PM // 21:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackbird71

Apply poison will work on any weapon, i.e., bow, axe, sword, dagger, hammer.

"Preparation. For 12 seconds, enemies struck by your physical attacks become Poisoned for (3...13) seconds. (Attrib: Wilderness Survival) "

Key here is "physical" attacks.

I actually do not yet have factions, but I tried out a R/A in the preview event. My memory is a little fuzzy, but I recall there was an elite assassin skill that was an offhand attack which had to follow a dual attack (I know, backwards from typical offhand). The Expertise from being a ranger let me easily chain a lead attack, offhand, dual, and the elite offhand for some serious damage. Like I said, my only experience is from the preview event, so I'm no expert, but the successive attacks were fun to use, and noticably more difficult to do with an assassin's energy.

Apply poison works well on daggers. I am running a R/A. W/Rs and R/Ws often use apply poison for sword and axe. I guess a hammer would work too. It cost 15 energy so it is expensive with dagger energy skills. W/R and R/W have adrenaline skills to help work through the high skill cost as well as expertise (R/W).